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Post by Ultimate Silentking on Oct 19, 2012 17:05:00 GMT -5
Huh? Didn't you quit being admin?
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Oct 19, 2012 17:11:34 GMT -5
Nope. I got tenure. I still handle continuity and pick up the slack so that there are at least three of us keeping the site running like having the recent updates recently updated.
I don't handle claims unless the others get behind. I'll take care of board maintenance if I'm around and got nothing better to do. It was mainly me not doing anything for the Reboot cause I really didn't want any extra work that I wasn't here for the past month. You'll see my main admining come November when I bring back the continuity board and we record things as they happen.
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Post by liquidsword34 on Oct 19, 2012 17:40:46 GMT -5
Yes definitely. You don't really need to "claim" them per se. Just let us know if you have a new wallpaper request. Ah, then I'd like to use Terri Henshaw.
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Post by jackalope on Oct 20, 2012 5:38:02 GMT -5
Csn I swap Killer Moth for Firefly (Ted Carson)?
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Post by unchartedfan1 on Oct 20, 2012 9:38:59 GMT -5
Can I swap Firestorm and Martin Stein for Metallo
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Post by C_Miller on Oct 20, 2012 11:10:25 GMT -5
yes and yes
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Post by jackalope on Oct 20, 2012 15:14:03 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 14:15:47 GMT -5
If possible, can I add John Leather to the wallpaper. He is Bret's father and William's grandfather...who once had a masked identity as the Dead Ranger... -M
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Post by Stardrifter on Oct 29, 2012 21:50:16 GMT -5
What is the opinion on public domain characters? Like Sherlock Holmes(not someone I'm interested in, merely using as an example).
1. Is it fair game even if they've never been used in the DC Universe? 2. Do I have to claim them, and if so, will they count as claims even if they aren't DC characters?
On a similar note, historical persons? What about quasi-real historical people(King Arthur, for example, is debatably based on a real person)? Obviously I had to claim King Arthur because they've been used in DC comics, but what about historical characters who may or may not have been real that weren't used in the comics?
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Oct 29, 2012 22:33:22 GMT -5
For Historical...
I never had to claim Leonardo da Vinci, Ponce de Leon, Robert de Sable, etc... in the last universe. Course that all changes now since I wouldn't be able to use the latter two given Silentking's claims. On the other hand, I'd still get Leo and the likes of Tesla.
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And for public domain, mrp still ended up having to claim Tarzan, John Carter, Sherlock Holmes, and various others. You'd likely be hard pressed to find a public domain character that has not been used by DC. Especially given the whole League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 22:55:56 GMT -5
I asked Miller about historicals in my planning for Planetary, as Edison was part of the Planetary Secret Society. They are kind of a gray area. If you are going to play them straight as historicals and accurate, probably don't need to claim, but if you are going to alter majorly you may need to to prevent two versions of say Jack the Ripper running around, each with a different identity or two Amelia Earharts each with a different history. It would be common courtesy for two authors not to step on each others toes, but both may be writing at the same time with different ideas for the historical character and without a fair warning in the claims list they may not know what the other is planning.
I know some historical characters will be appearing throughout Planetary but I am trying to check with other admins before each one appears to make sure I don't need to claim them.
As for public domain characters, unless they appeared in a DC comic I was told they are not really usable. I had wanted to use the Lone Ranger in place of the Dead Ranger, the analogue character Ellis used (as I was doing with Tarzan in Lord Blackstone's case and Doc Savage for Axel Brass, but Lone Ranger never appeared in DC Comics so I had to stick with the Dead Ranger. All of the public domain characters I claimed appeared in DC Comics at one point or another.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Oct 29, 2012 22:58:57 GMT -5
And Edison is someone that would have to be noted first by either you (MRP) or Silentking since he is also a Templar. I said opening the likes of the Templars and Brotherhood was a whole bag of worms.
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Post by liquidsword34 on Oct 30, 2012 18:41:56 GMT -5
I'd suggest making historical figures like wallpaper at least, so we can keep track of which have been used by who. Just in case, say, somebody makes Jack the Ripper an alien from the future, and another writer misses it and makes him a giant squid in a human body trying to get home (Or something). Just to prevent confusion.
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Post by unchartedfan1 on Oct 30, 2012 22:56:56 GMT -5
So say I wanted to use Bill Gates or Oprah Winfrey but to do something like make Bill a Norse god and have a love child with Oprah? Not saying I have this yearning, I'm just wondering because neither of them really falls under historical figure or public domain?
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Post by Ultimate Silentking on Oct 31, 2012 0:20:54 GMT -5
Can I claim Francis Drake as wallpaper? He is supposedly the many greats grandfather of Nathan Drake. Also, I am gonna make a few more changes to him that will be revealed in issue 3 (Most likely 4) of my Suicide Squad title. Changes that I need to run by with Wachter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 0:24:48 GMT -5
Interpreting and repeating what Miller said when I asked him (and he can correct me if I am wrong) if you are using a real life figure (historical or otherwise) you can use them unclaimed if you stick to reality and play them straight. If you are making major changes you need to claim them as one of your characters.
So if you are using Edison as an inventor who had a workshop in NJ and settled in Fort Meyers FLA next door to Henry Ford and had a penchant for banyan trees (the one at his Fort Meyers residence is gorgeous if you have never seen it) then no need to claim him, you are playing it straight and sticking to the way things are in reality. If you are making Edison some part of a secret organization and are going to add story layers to the character, you probably need to claim him. Same with Bill Gates, etc.
Bottom line is that unless the character is an original creation of yours, if you are defining who the character is for the shared universe in your book, you probably need to claim the character.
Historical figures and real life figures are defined by who they were in reality. If you are fictionalizing that and making changes, you are defining that person now as a character in the UDCU. That means you likely need to make a claim to do so. You are essentially claiming the rights to define that character just as you did with Superman, Batman, Steve Trevor, or Sinestro.
Minor tweaks or fictional buildings/locales named after famous probably don't require a claim. To use Mezzaro's mention of Bill Gates, he supports a lot of charities, if you have Gates donating to a fictional charity in your book or mentioned as a donor to an event in your book, it probably doesn't need a claim. Naming a fictional school in Opal City the Thomas Edison School of Technology, probably doesn't need a claim. If that school was founded by Edison and is a secret training ground for tech based super-villains the first of which was Edison, that probably needs a claim.
Best bet it to ask one of the admins, probably Miller himself if you have a question. PM is probably the best way if you are trying to avoid spoiling things you have planned.
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Post by Ultimate Silentking on Oct 31, 2012 0:28:46 GMT -5
I just realized something. Wachter is an admin right? So he can decide if Francis has to be claimed or not? Because I don't want to spoil anything, but I do have to reveal some stuff to Wachter since it is related to him.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Oct 31, 2012 0:35:50 GMT -5
Yes. I am an admin and of the opinion that historical/real figures should be noted if they go against the grain. Not sure on Miller's stance or even MRP's reply since I see them as wallpaper at most and wallpapers still have to be "claimed."
Francis should be fine given what you've told me but don't take me like I know the specifics of every rule. I'm mostly the continuity cop now and I keep the banner updated along with Miller.
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Post by C_Miller on Oct 31, 2012 2:05:39 GMT -5
Yeah, that's more or less where I stand. It's tough because I don't want to set it so that you have to use claims on historical figures and I don't want to have it get out of hand where every major historical figure is holed up in individual titles. I think it should be one of those things where all historical figures are globally claimed and proposals must be made to the admins.
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Post by unchartedfan1 on Nov 2, 2012 19:07:44 GMT -5
Is there going to be a separate November thread or is this going to be used for that as well?
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