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Post by liquidsword34 on Dec 18, 2012 9:27:35 GMT -5
Secret Society of Super Villains is about five-hundred different villains, how does that claim work?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 9:50:05 GMT -5
AS with many group claims, he would have to claim at least 3 members and the title. This gives him control of the members he has claimed and the name Secret Society. Sometimes this grants additional wallpaper, but in this case since the members are parts of other character's mythos and not unique to the Secret Society, I don't think they would qualify as wallpaper. Again, Miller would be the final arbiter, and he will have to approve the final claim, but I just wanted to point out Grundy was taken so Mezzaro has time to alter the claim as he chooses.
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Post by C_Miller on Dec 18, 2012 13:49:45 GMT -5
The Secret Society of Super Villains is a tough decision for me to make. He has Libra, who was the latest leader of the group, but like Liquidsword has pointed out, the Secret Society isn't really a team as much as a villain collective that spans all the franchises. So, yeah they definitely wouldn't qualify for any wallpaper, but I suppose you'd be able to claim the name, if you so desire.
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Post by unchartedfan1 on Dec 18, 2012 18:04:28 GMT -5
My bad, I missed Grundy when searching the claims, but I don't want any additional wallpaper, just the name.
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Post by C_Miller on Dec 19, 2012 2:17:32 GMT -5
Ok with six issues up, I am adding a second feature to the Madhouse Studios plate, expanding my little corner of the UDCU. Some of the concepts will spin out of Planetary, but it is not technically a spin-off as the main cast is separate from the Planetary team.... So without further ado.... [glow=red,2,300]Title Request[/glow]Title: The Authority Subtitle: The War for the Future Began Long Ago… Hero(es): Jenny Sparks, Ray Palmer (the Atom), J’onn J’onnz (Martian Manhunter) Villains: Apollo, Midnighter, The Engineer, Henry Bendix (Weatherman), Stormwatch, Weaponers of Qward, Jemm-Son of Saturn, Ichthultu, The Old Ones, The Imperium Support: Cameron Chase, Dr. Bones, Kate Spencer (Manhunter), the DEO, Jack Hawksmoor, The Doctor, Dr. Occult/Rose Psychic I await approval or pointers if things need to be changed/fixed before approval... -M I approve this. Sorry I missed it, man. All the talk afterwards made me over look it.
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Post by C_Miller on Dec 19, 2012 2:19:37 GMT -5
Mezzaro, can you update your claims list to reflect the issues with it? When you do so, I will approve the title.
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Post by unchartedfan1 on Dec 19, 2012 14:38:47 GMT -5
Title: Ultimate Action Comics Writer: Mezzaro Subtitle: Lost Planet, Desperate Parents, Last Hope, Greatest Villain...
Heroes: Lex Luthor, Martin Stein, Firestorm (Ronald Raymond)
Villains: Libra, Knight (Cyril), Starro, Composite Superman, Psycho Pirate I, Secret Society of Super Villains, Goldface, Calculator
Wallpaper and Support will be characters already claimed for Superman. I hope this works.
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Post by C_Miller on Dec 19, 2012 15:36:02 GMT -5
I can't find any problems with this. Approved.
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Post by Drake on Dec 20, 2012 16:59:09 GMT -5
Title: Ultimate Shazam
Subtitle: Power of the Gods, Heart of Gold
Hero(es): William Batson (Shazam)
Villains: Black Adam, Isis, Black Alice, Thaddeus Sivana Sr., Seven Deadly Sins of Man, Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Black Briar Thorn, Captain Nazi, Frankenstein’s Monster, Father Time, The Bride, S.H.A.D.E.
Support: Mary Bromfield (Mary Batson), Freddie Freeman, Tawky Tawny
Wallpaper: Shazam, Pedro Pena, Darla Dudley, Eugene Choi, Dudley H. Dudley, C.C. Batson, Marilyn Batson.
In case you're wondering, I've already talked over the details of Frankenstein's Monster with mrp and he's cool with me using it under certain circumstances I intend to follow. And I have a question: If I'm going to create characters to use who will be important, do I have to put them on here?
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Post by jackalope on Dec 20, 2012 17:12:18 GMT -5
No, original characters exist outside of claims.
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Post by Drake on Dec 20, 2012 17:14:01 GMT -5
K. Thanks.
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Post by buck on Dec 20, 2012 17:14:48 GMT -5
Constantine and Zatanna both definitely do not qualify to be wallpaper.
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Post by Drake on Dec 20, 2012 18:12:04 GMT -5
Ok. I plan on using them but their not uber-major. Should I put them under support or just not claim them and then ask to use them later?
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Post by Ultimate Silentking on Dec 20, 2012 18:14:58 GMT -5
I am not a mod, but that is why Support is there. To my knowledge. Also, I thought his name was Captain Marvel and that the wizard was called Shazam?
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Post by liquidsword34 on Dec 20, 2012 19:05:30 GMT -5
From my perspective you should leave them for now and claim them once you need them/ask to use them if they're claimed, as both (Especially Constantine) are major characters which can be used in a title. Also, I thought his name was Captain Marvel and that the wizard was called Shazam? He's called Shazam now, not sure what the wizard's called.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 21:28:52 GMT -5
Ok a few things here. Wallpaper to clarify, is not about level of use, it is about whether a character is standalone or tied explicitly to a mythos. If a character has carried their own title in DC's publishing history and is not an alternate version of an already claimed character, they cannot be wallpaper. Buck already mentioned that Zatanna and John Constantine don't qualify, and that is why.
The other problem is S.H.A.D.E. To claim an organization that is not the protagonist of the title, you need to claim at least 3 members and the organization. You have only claimed Frankenstein's monster, so you need to claim at least 2 other members of S.H.A.D.E. to claim the organization (though Miller may overrule, this is the standard precedent).
As a solo title you get 17 claims, 15 of which are used. You will have to use the last two to claim members of SHADE to get the organization, so you will not be able to move Zatanna or Constantine to Support to claim them unless you eliminate some other claims.
Also looking at the wallpapers, many are Flashpoint characters comprising Agents of S.H.A.Z.A.M. another organization. To use it, you might have to claim that one too have too. It's a grey area there, so Miller would have to be final arbiter, but my initial instinct is that you would need to claim all organizations. If you have no plans to use Agents of S.H.A.Z.A.M., then it is not an issue.
Just trying to clarify since you are a new arrival and since even some of the vets seemed a little unclear. Check with Miller about S.H.A.Z.A.M. if you intend to use it, and rework he claim to accommodate S.H.A.D.E. members and adjust wallpaper, and you should be good.
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Post by C_Miller on Dec 21, 2012 2:03:25 GMT -5
I agree with most of what MRP said, in fact there's nothing I see to disagree with here.
As for S.H.A.D.E., it's such an expansive group. It's tough. It's not like the Brotherhood of Evil or something of the sort where you can claim two characters and get everybody. I think I'm also biased to the fact that we had a massively expansive title in the last iteration of our site that featured S.H.A.D.E.
Here's my final ruling... you need to claim Father Time as well. But you can't count any other S.H.A.D.E. character as wallpaper. Most of the S.H.A.D.E. characters are actually big characters that can carry their own titles and aren't solely related to S.H.A.D.E. (I'm kind of sick of typing that out now...). So yeah... there you go.
I would also say that you need to claim the Agents of S.H.A.Z.A.M. for all of them to count as wallpaper. But you don't need to claim any others to get that one.
As for Constantine and Zatanna, I would ask that you hold off on them. Remember what we said about resources? This is a big example here. One of the joys of this site is interpreting your favorite characters in the Ultimate Universe. If you claim major characters that you really don't have plans for, it robs another writer of that chance. Granted the nature of the beast kinds of means that you're not going to be able to write every character you enjoy, but when you sit on big characters for bit roles, it kind of challenges the integrity of our site. I'm not saying you can't claim them, but I would certainly ask you to hold off (you don't have to comply though).
So yeah, work out that and post a new claims list with the changes.
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Post by Drake on Dec 21, 2012 19:20:40 GMT -5
Alright, thanks for clarifying everything. I plan on using the characters of the Agents of S.H.A.Z.A.M. but not as heroes, similarly but not exactly like the New 52 versions of the characters, so do I have to add Agents? Cuz they're not going to be, well, the Agents of S.H.A.Z.A.M. I'll drop Zatanna and Constantine as my use for them, I feel, is not large enough to claim them. S.H.A.D.E., however, is a different story. I plan to absolutely use them. They're going to be important.
Also, I've edited my submission. I'll post a clean one when I'm sure I won't have to make yet another.
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Post by Drake on Dec 22, 2012 14:46:46 GMT -5
I'm going to go ahead and post the new submission.
Title: Ultimate Shazam Subtitle: Power of the Gods, Heart of Gold Author: Drake
Hero(es): William Batson (Shazam)
Villains: Black Adam, Isis, Black Alice, Thaddeus Sivana Sr., Seven Deadly Sins of Man, Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Black Briar Thorn, Captain Nazi, S.H.A.D.E., Frankenstein's Monster, The Bride, Father Time.
Support: Mary Bromfield (Mary Batson), Freddy Freeman, Tawky Tawny.
Wallpaper: Shazam, Pedro Pena, Darla Dudley, Eugene Choi, Dudley H. Dudley, C.C. Batson, Marilyn Batson.
I hope this is right.
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Post by Drake on Dec 23, 2012 14:49:49 GMT -5
Ok, I'm confused. Have none of the admins been on the site in the last couple days or am I approved? If anyone could respond that'd help a lot. Just to clear things up.
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