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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Feb 13, 2013 17:01:21 GMT -5
Three tales come together, In the haven of blood and grime, To not finish what was started, Would be worse than a crime.
A bird, a myth, a legend, They meet on the day of the heart, She must say goodbye to one and all, Before her journey has any hope to start.
Hush now as the story begins, Not at the start but at the end, Red rain shall fall, As our knight fights to defend.
Yes... That's posted in Solicits as a preview but it's also a fitting start to this topic as well since I created it before my series to apologize for my rhyming skills. I know, I'm a bad, bad man and deserve to be shot for it. Cluemaster's hint: Many, many references in the rhyme. Can you guess how many and how they relate? ^_^
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Post by Ultimate Silentking on Feb 14, 2013 2:09:31 GMT -5
"Hush now as the story begins" Is a reference to Batman villain Hush who you happened to claim. It is also possible that he will be at the start of the story. That, or I am reading too much into that line.
Edit: Oh and the second to last line is a possible reference to Red Hood. That or a reference to the original name of this title.
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Post by randomfan on Feb 14, 2013 2:30:38 GMT -5
"They meet on the day of the heart,"
I'm going to guess this means that the storyline will start on valentine's day.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Feb 14, 2013 2:47:32 GMT -5
"Hush now as the story begins" Is a reference to Batman villain Hush who you happened to claim. It is also possible that he will be at the start of the story. That, or I am reading too much into that line. Edit: Oh and the second to last line is a possible reference to Red Hood. That or a reference to the original name of this title. Good guesses so far but the second to last line is a direct reference which leads to even more clues about the series while also possibly being about Hood. Mwuhahahaha. I'll probably reveal what people are unable to guess in my persona of Cluemaster after the issue which, thanks to good life things, won't be up today, as my first storyline progresses. At least it won't be in edited form today like I had hoped. --- As for Valentines Day? Pshaw. I have the Royal Flush Gang. Could be the Suit of Hearts related. Who do you think I am? The goddamn Riddler? Well, perhaps this is a bit more Riddler and less Cluemaster but hey. Today's Valentines. You're supposed to have bad poetry and rhyming.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Feb 28, 2013 18:03:13 GMT -5
I managed to get it up. Almost two weeks late but still got it up. I blame work, both my dayjob and this site. ^_^
I know there's some issues with the tenses but I felt it was the right path to take for the first issue. I'll go back to my normal style in the next one. Hopefully, the rhyme makes more sense now and you guys might be able to start figuring things out. Not trying to make it into an overly complicated mystery.
I might have a One-Off issue out tonight if I finish it up. My goal is to have it up at least.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Feb 28, 2013 22:14:04 GMT -5
Booyah! It's up... A story detailing the past of Wildcat and delving into some of the sidekick training. Obviously, it reveals one of the mentors and world's worst Outlaws but see who else you can find introduced in it. I'll give a cookie to whomever is able to guess why I named the Arena what I named it.
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And with that, I'm one step closer to my goal of six issues out before April to catch up on the issue counts for the rest of you. Hopefully by this time next month, I'll be up to Issue 5 of the proper series but I might release another one off after my opening two-parter going into detail about another one of the Outlaws.
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Post by Drake on Feb 28, 2013 22:16:03 GMT -5
Okay, pardon my french, but holy shit! This is amazing! I...wow, this is a million times better than your Arrow fic. This is, in all honesty, and I didn't expect this, my favorite issue out of anything on the site. There's emotion, action, backstory, character development. And hints. Hints to the future and to (what I assume is) Joker's origin. This, to me, is the perfect issue. It'll be hard to beat, and I hate to say it, Jason'll be hard to beat by anyone as far as my favorite character (on this site) goes. He's just...awesome! Good luck, buck, Dick's now got a lot to prove. And good luck, Wachter, on beating the quality of this issue. I am very much looking forward to more. 10/10
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Post by Drake on Feb 28, 2013 22:25:54 GMT -5
Just read the one shot. It was good. Not nearly #1 quality, and there were definitely some grammar errors. Nothing major, just, y'know, some noticeable ones. I've got to go now, maybe I'll be able to get in more detail later, but I'll give it a 7.5/10.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Feb 28, 2013 22:48:17 GMT -5
Okay, pardon my french, but holy shit! This is amazing! I...wow, this is a million times better than your Arrow fic. This is, in all honesty, and I didn't expect this, my favorite issue out of anything on the site. There's emotion, action, backstory, character development. And hints. Hints to the future and to (what I assume is) Joker's origin. This, to me, is the perfect issue. It'll be hard to beat, and I hate to say it, Jason'll be hard to beat by anyone as far as my favorite character (on this site) goes. He's just...awesome! Good luck, buck, Dick's now got a lot to prove. And good luck, Wachter, on beating the quality of this issue. I am very much looking forward to more. 10/10 *sweat drops*This isn't the kind of review I want to be my first one. It can only go downhill from here. Haha, I kid. I don't think it's a perfect issue, especially given that it is in a voice that I'm unused to, but thank you anyways. Technically it's hints to the "past" more so than the future as my Last Year storyline that runs the first Volume of 'Haven takes place during Jason's year as a sidekick and what forces him to become Red X to take on the Red Hood and turn his back on his masters. But hey, out of universe, these are things you'll read in the future so it still counts. Just read the one shot. It was good. Not nearly #1 quality, and there were definitely some grammar errors. Nothing major, just, y'know, some noticeable ones. I've got to go now, maybe I'll be able to get in more detail later, but I'll give it a 7.5/10. Now that's what I like. A nice, average review that doesn't build expectations. Yeah, I'm aware that Wildcat has problems. The editing was rushed against the clock since my ideal plans for March require me to be on a certain schedule. Wasn't going to rush Issue 2 to the presses since it's what establishes the status que in 'Haven but I can be less critical of a side issue. Still, I'll probably go back through and edit any glaring problems in the next day or so.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Mar 2, 2013 20:46:39 GMT -5
Just added a special secret file for my Issue #1. I don't recommend highlighting what I have spoiler coded until my Issue 2 is released.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Mar 3, 2013 14:28:55 GMT -5
I'm still on the fence here.
The writing is good by all means, but as for content, this was just an issue I was left confused.
I hate starting right in the middle of a plot, and that's what this felt like. I'm finishing the story with far more questions than when I started. It doesn't help that your side-story with Wildcat doesn't really help explain what's going on either. Despite the very good emotion, detail, and setting, I don't feel as if I can immerse myself in what's going on. You're very good at portraying the emotions of the characters, but these emotions lack context for me.
However, this is also a first issue. These are often not enough to judge an overall plot by. Hopefully after two or three issues I'll be following along.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Mar 3, 2013 15:20:46 GMT -5
I'm still on the fence here. The writing is good by all means, but as for content, this was just an issue I was left confused. I hate starting right in the middle of a plot, and that's what this felt like. I'm finishing the story with far more questions than when I started. It doesn't help that your side-story with Wildcat doesn't really help explain what's going on either. Despite the very good emotion, detail, and setting, I don't feel as if I can immerse myself in what's going on. You're very good at portraying the emotions of the characters, but these emotions lack context for me. However, this is also a first issue. These are often not enough to judge an overall plot by. Hopefully after two or three issues I'll be following along. Technically, you're not starting at the middle of a plot. You're starting at the end as the rhyme says. The purpose of it being done that way is to give you the answers to most of the questions the first volume ask. But I knew it was a risk going in so I'm not stressing over it. Everything, and I mean everything, within my first issue is possible to answer within the writing or using the rhyme to go with it, encouraging you to wonder "how'd it get his way?". All it takes is reading a bit closer and looking at my cast if you still can't, and remembering a few things I did or hinted at in the old universe. Also. . . *evil eye* Your Wonder Woman started in the middle. =P As for Wildcat. That never should have been posted until after issue 2 or 3 but my second issue required some more work and I was on a very specific time table in order to reach my goal of March that needed those 3 extra claims. I'm still thinking about putting a disclaimer up that it's better to wait until after those issues for it.
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Post by Ultimate Silentking on Mar 3, 2013 15:48:33 GMT -5
Issue 1 was very great but I prefer Demon Knights to this. But this is just the first issue, so future ones could beat my love for Demon Knights. 9/10
I very much enjoyed the Wildcat special though I have to ask one thing. Did Wildcat get knock out by one punch? 8/10
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Mar 3, 2013 16:02:01 GMT -5
That fight will continue in a different special but I can't say anymore than that right now cause I'm trying to avoid spoilers. You'll have to leave it to your imagination if Dragon managed to successfully TKO him or if Ted managed to get back up in time after he got the "killing blow." That special is expected up after issue 3.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Mar 3, 2013 16:16:54 GMT -5
Technically, you're not starting at the middle of a plot. You're starting at the end as the rhyme says. The purpose of it being done that way is to give you the answers to most of the questions the first volume ask. But I knew it was a risk going in so I'm not stressing over it. Everything, and I mean everything, within my first issue is possible to answer within the writing or using the rhyme to go with it, encouraging you to wonder "how'd it get his way?". All it takes is reading a bit closer and looking at my cast if you still can't, and remembering a few things I did or hinted at in the old universe. Also. . . *evil eye* Your Wonder Woman started in the middle. =P Actually, UWW still started at the beginning, there's just some stuff that happened chronologically before the events at the circus. If I had to start at the beginning chronologically, there'd be about a bajillion issues as I went through all of Greek Mythology before I could even get to Themyscira. Either way, I'm not too worried about this story. Your writing style and prose are both excellent, and the first chapter is rarely enough to make a full judgment. Also, I want to address this... The riddle thing is fine as long as you aren't completely relying on readers figuring it out in order to make sense of the story. The reader should not have to figure out a logic puzzle and how to cross the river without leaving the sheep alone with the wolf or try to figure out which guardian always tells the truth and which one always lies just to understand what's going on. Having it be an easter egg, reference, cameo, or maybe a spoiler for future is fine. Also, if you remember, I only joined the site around the time of the reboot, so old universe stuff doesn't really mean much to me.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Mar 3, 2013 16:31:17 GMT -5
Nah. I'm not. The riddle is more supplementary info. One of my main characters is Cluemaster so part of my motive is to provide you clues on how you can figure everything out if you're not able to take it from the prose. First issue was meant to be mysterious and make you wonder what happened to get Jason to that point. What is the reason WHY he was pushed to that point by Cluemaster. What did Jason do to the shadow (who is obvious character despite the deleted file). Why is the man behind the Red Hood acting as the Red Hood and what's his connection to Jason? I have to say if people can't figure out who Hood is from the issue and still can't figure out without the help of my clues... Then it's not that good for you since it's staring you straight in the face.
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Post by Stardrifter on Mar 5, 2013 16:31:46 GMT -5
As always, your writing is very well done. My issue stems from your content. I'm not sure I like your series starting this way. I'm still mulling it over. The issue just really felt like a one shot or a #0.
As for starting at the end, its a common trope that I don't mind, as long as you can back it up. To paraphrase Top Gun, your first issue wrote a check I hope your series can cash. But it sounds like you have everything planned out. Keep em coming.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Mar 5, 2013 17:13:30 GMT -5
As always, your writing is very well done. My issue stems from your content. I'm not sure I like your series starting this way. I'm still mulling it over. The issue just really felt like a one shot or a #0. As for starting at the end, its a common trope that I don't mind, as long as you can back it up. To paraphrase Top Gun, your first issue wrote a check I hope your series can cash. But it sounds like you have everything planned out. Keep em coming. I got quite the bank account. ^_^ And I suppose, technically, it could be considered a One-Shot since it's a standalone issue but it's definitely not my Issue 0 since that'll be released after 'Haven 5 and covers the first half of my first Issue, going into detail on how Jay met the Outlaws and became the World's Ultimate Sidekick.
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Post by Stardrifter on Mar 5, 2013 17:45:20 GMT -5
I got quite the bank account. ^_^ Well be careful you don't overdraw, or you'll have to pay the fee!
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Post by buck on Mar 18, 2013 2:02:08 GMT -5
Solid start after reading number one and the Wildcat issue.
"Haven sounds like more of a shithole then Gotham. That's pretty impressive. As always your work is rock solid. You're setting big things up for the series like Star said just hope that the journey to issue number one is just as good as issue one.
Being late to the part I can't really add a whole lot.
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