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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 13, 2015 20:00:56 GMT -5
That's part of the reason I don't really care about any of the Batman movies, even Dark Knight, because for me one of the best part of Batman is the Bat family. Both in the sense that they all help brighten up Batman and get him to show his humanity and in the sense that Batman is the least interesting member of the Bat family
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Post by adrini on Jul 13, 2015 20:03:04 GMT -5
The bat family is amazing. I don't buy Bat often but when they have the family together I can't really resist. Whn facing everything a hero does that back up can make up so much.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 14, 2015 5:54:06 GMT -5
So saw the Suicide Squad trailer, this movie looks so good. Viola Davis is perfect casting, I enjoyed what we got of Margot Robbie, Will Smith is amazing in everything, plus the tone for the universe actually fits this type of movie.
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Post by adrini on Jul 14, 2015 9:56:52 GMT -5
SS was never my cup of tea. Nothing evil in it, just not my thing.
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Post by adrini on Jul 16, 2015 17:13:54 GMT -5
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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 16, 2015 18:45:52 GMT -5
All of Marvel's movies, most of the DC animated movies, all of the cartoons, all of the video games, all acceptable for kids. I also like how the article started off as being about kid friendly superhero stuff before just becoming another shot at Frank Miller.
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Post by adrini on Jul 16, 2015 18:55:32 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about miller. On the one hand his work can be incredible. Amazing. I totally get why he's popular.
On the other hand, not everyone is miller. But everyone wants to be. He does what he does very well, others, not so much. But after him it became "dark is cool". Dark can be cool, when done well. It can also be done to death and ruin things when done too often.
And I have to agree with the premis. Hero movies should be kid friendly. Kids need heroes.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 16, 2015 20:14:34 GMT -5
but kids have superhero movies, and T.V shows, and games, comics aren't just for kids anymore and just making kid friendly stuff is ignoring a section of there fanbase. Not everything needs to be for the same group of people.
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Post by adrini on Jul 16, 2015 21:38:23 GMT -5
Hero movies need to be kid friendly. The whole point of heroes is to inspire, teach and lead. Reality is dark, the point of myth is to lead a way through that.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 16, 2015 22:45:15 GMT -5
It's possible for something to be inspiring while still not being for kids, superheroes haven't just been for kids for 30 years now, things have changed and it's not a problem to acknowledge that.
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Post by adrini on Jul 16, 2015 23:16:18 GMT -5
For a handful sure. Some people blend well with darkness.
Darkness now...no. It's too far. Too much. Dark is nothing more then laziness now. It might have been inspired once, but now it's a fad, a gimmick that we'll laugh at later. Or wince.
Snyder is not helping anyone, this thing he's doing is only locking people out and heroes are for everyone. Not for a handful of angsty teens who want to feel special for "getting it". Superman, especially, is america's hero. Anything that locks him away from people is borderline evil. He's more then that, and frankly so are we.
There is no shame is heroes being heroes. Some of the corniest people I know wear uniforms and fight in real battles. They face *real* darkness and still don't have fascination with it. The vets in my family didn't/don't either. I'll take their word over the 14-20 range any day. They actually know it.
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Post by Drake on Jul 17, 2015 16:57:15 GMT -5
That article is 100% right and the best written article I've read on the matter (and believe me I've read a lot of them). As I've said many times before, Man of Steel is a good sci action flick, but a horrible Superman one. Warner Bros. should hire Grant Morrison, Mark Waid, or Greg Pak to write a Superman movie script for them. Don't get grimdark style-over-substance writers like David Goyer.
Thankfully, even if BvS isn't great for Superman, it looks to address a few interesting questions, intro Wonder Woman, and have our best on-screen Batman yet.
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Post by ericthepilot on Jul 26, 2015 12:03:30 GMT -5
Haven't heard this one before, it's interesting to think about, if nothing else...
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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 26, 2015 18:59:29 GMT -5
It's an interesting idea but I feel it mostly came up because people don't like the look of this Joker and so don't want him to actually be the Joker.
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Post by adrini on Aug 1, 2015 12:46:18 GMT -5
Snyder's childhood crayon set. Attachments:
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Aug 3, 2015 8:43:26 GMT -5
Here's the thing with 'kid friendly'. Things like Avengers Assembled, Agents of SMASH, and from what I've read, the new Guardians of the Galaxy series, are made with kids with mind, and made terribly, using stupid jokes and basically talking down to its audience. Compare them with some of the "kids stuff" we grew up with like Batman TAS, or Superman, or really the entire Timm-verse. Kid-friendly does not mean kid-friendly-only. These appeal to kids AND adults and for a reason. Instead of being some focus-grouped target-demographic formula-by-numbers crap we got legitimately good work that stands the tests of time, and THAT'S what superhero movies and comics should strive for every single time.
The MCU for the most part gets that and produces movies that can be appreciated at the kid and adult level. The problem DC is having is trying to follow the Dark Knight formula when it doesn't fit, and creating a color-by-numbers "mature" movie that's "too adult" for kids, only the elements they say makes it mature really don't, they just make the movie less enjoyable.
Also, all the colors are gray.
From what I've seen, the MCU movies are FAR better in terms of actual maturity, tackling real world subjects like the prejudice against ex-convicts who've served their sentence even when the crime was nonviolent (Ant-Man), PTSD (Iron Man), and the hazards of the military industry complex (pretty much all of them). Just because Ant-Man features a scene of the bad guy getting hit by Thomas the Tank Engine while they fight on a little girl's play table doesn't make it "just for kids" yet there are people who insist that DC movies are the only 'mature' ones and that Marvel's just for kids like they're Trix cereal or something.
Part of the reason Man of Steel doesn't do as well in theaters as something like Guardians of the Galaxy is that I would actually take kids to see Guardians, and I would happily see it again as it's a fun movie. Man of Steel, even you actually like it, is depressing to go and see again.
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Post by ericthepilot on Aug 3, 2015 18:57:44 GMT -5
Of course, there's also the most egregious example of dumbing down to the point of retarded in kids shows: Teen Titans Go. It's so insipid, it makes the rest of Cartoon Network's brain-damaging programming look like The Godfather.
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Post by adrini on Aug 3, 2015 19:11:57 GMT -5
That's made FOR kids, though. Those can get pretty brainless, they really exist to sell action figures.
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Post by thetrueelec on Aug 3, 2015 19:23:38 GMT -5
I haven't seen a lot of it but what I have seen of TTG is great, it has a very black sense of humour.
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Post by adrini on Aug 7, 2015 8:41:35 GMT -5
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