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Post by thejellyfish on Feb 22, 2016 3:51:18 GMT -5
It also doesn't help when editorial and management keeps pushing all the good talent away towards Marvel or creator owned. There's a reason Rucka and Waid don't write for DC anymore.
And when there is good talent, they don't lock it down, and the diehards get pissed when they don't get locked in. People still get mad about Charles Soule going to Marvel and Jeff Lemire going to Marvel/Valiant. This month DC grabbed two of the most talented names in comics, Tom King and Clay Mann. They should have been doing stuff like that sooner.
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Post by adrini on Feb 22, 2016 8:18:57 GMT -5
It wasn't perfect but it was good. I'll post numbers later. I have to actually work.
Can another plan work? Maybe. I have no crystal ball. I said that based on what I know and what I've seen in the fan base a two line systems seems like the best option. If they can pull off something else- great. But I'd honestly be surprised. They've burned enough people I really see anything else coming off as half assed. And that won't bring them back.
I'm not touching Johns with a ten foot pole. Not after Arrow. Man can dissipear for all I care. 99% of the reason I show up is GA and BC and he's turned one into a male model and the other into a human prop. For all I know it'll be the Felicity diaries all over again.
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Post by Drake on Feb 22, 2016 9:56:46 GMT -5
Johns has very, very little to do with Arrow. He consults on all the shows and movies, but isn't directly involved much at all. He's written maybe 2 or 3 episodes, and that's it. Johns also "gets" the DC Universe more than most. That's not to say you can't dislike his work, but as far as understanding what makes characters tick, he just gets it. He made Green Lantern, a B-list character with a C-lister supporting cast, into an A-list franchise. You like the JSA, right? He wrote, arguably, the greatest run on the team of all time. Look it up. Read it. It's fun, dramatic, action-packed, and heartfelt. It has soooo much legacy, as is the team's specialty. It's truly wonderful. His Flash is great. Perfectly encapsulates what that franchise stands for. His JL run started weak, but picked up steam with Throne of Atlantis and has been great since. His Aquaman run made the character and Mera A-listers. As for sales.... www.comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-january-2011/That's prior to the New 52's announcement, which killed sales even more. www.comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-january-2016-the-adjustment-bureau/That's for this January. Yet again, it's horrible. Things weren't great prior to the reboot and aren't now. Numbers don't lie.
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Post by adrini on Feb 22, 2016 10:32:28 GMT -5
There was a mid-80's reboot. I'll have to look it up later. At work now (it's slow but still).
If he can be a saving grace then good on him, but he needs to get on it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 10:34:55 GMT -5
I wonder what level his consultation is at? I only say that because I imagine if he's running DC Comics division with Didio and Lee, he has very little time to be working hard on every aspect of it. To be honest, Arrow can't be that awful because it'd be off TV by now. As I've said before, possibly not here, you can't do comics as a TV show, any more you can do a TV show as a movie. They're different mediums entirely. That's why I have very little problem with things like changing the race of characters, origins, etc. TV is a different beast to comics in many, many ways. I realise that some people won't agree with that, and that's fine, this is just my opinion on things.
Frankly, DC was suffering before, but we can all look back with Rose Tinted glasses and say it was the best and the sales were great.
Edited: You know what? It's been a pretty awful 12 hrs here for me, so I apologise for being snidey. That was uncalled for. Edited out because there's no need for that.
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Post by adrini on Feb 22, 2016 10:45:40 GMT -5
Arrow is very well covered elsewhere. The point is to go to a solid jumping off point and go from there. Not stay there. Going forward is assumed.
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Post by Drake on Feb 22, 2016 10:51:18 GMT -5
There was a mid-80's reboot. I'll have to look it up later. At work now (it's slow but still). If he can be a saving grace then good on him, but he needs to get on it. It was after the first Crisis, and it was also done to clean up continuity because sales had dropped.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 11:01:10 GMT -5
And then DC put the genie back with Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis (man, Final Crisis could have been so good if it wasn't totally neutered.)
Personally, what I want to see is a diversification of concepts, like how they originally had the lines, Heroes, Dark, Edge and something else.
I'd read/write the hell out of a young magicians series in the DC Universe
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Post by adrini on Feb 22, 2016 11:09:30 GMT -5
There was a mid-80's reboot. I'll have to look it up later. At work now (it's slow but still). If he can be a saving grace then good on him, but he needs to get on it. It was after the first Crisis, and it was also done to clean up continuity because sales had dropped. Like I said, not to stay there, just a stronger jumping off point.
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Post by jayrow75 on Feb 22, 2016 16:25:47 GMT -5
You guys are forming an intelligent conversation with viewpoints from two totally different spectrums. I'm not saying that anyone is wrong.
I subscribe to both theories myself. I've been reading comics since around 1978. There have always been things that changed, while other core concepts have remained the same. There are things I miss from the old DCU, like the Geoff Johns' Legacy version of the JSA. But there are some things from the New52 that I like, such as Grayson.
I've always been a fan of new and different takes on any/all characters. I just don't like losing the iconic essence of them along the way.
-Jay
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Post by Drake on Feb 22, 2016 16:52:20 GMT -5
I've always been a fan of new and different takes on any/all characters. I just don't like losing the iconic essence of them along the way. That's EXACTLY how I feel.
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Post by thetrueelec on Mar 2, 2016 21:51:15 GMT -5
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Post by cross on May 21, 2016 19:14:04 GMT -5
Are we going to discuss the beast that is Dr. Manhattan?
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Post by adrini on May 21, 2016 20:53:09 GMT -5
An odd addition, but interesting idea.
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Post by cross on May 21, 2016 21:03:27 GMT -5
I'm very interested. Although I'm one of those people who stands firmly behind the idea of "Don't fuck with the Watchmen".
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Post by thetrueelec on May 22, 2016 5:32:57 GMT -5
I think if we do it should happen after the book comes out or at least have a spoiler alert.
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Post by adrini on May 23, 2016 13:43:09 GMT -5
I'm very interested. Although I'm one of those people who stands firmly behind the idea of "Don't fuck with the Watchmen". Which I can respect. I will give them time to see what, exactly, they do. Then see if they've screwed up.
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Post by thetrueelec on May 24, 2016 15:09:09 GMT -5
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