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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 0:53:10 GMT -5
Solicitations are up for Ultimate Detective. The first issue should be up in about a week, likely just before or just after the 1st (I will not post the story on April Fool's just because).
As we count down towards the first issue, I will be posting material in the Gotham Gazette and the Wayne Family Journal.
I welcome all comments relating to the issues themselves, the Batman mythos, both our Ultimate U one and for the character in general and comments on your expectations or desires for an Ultimate Batman. Discussion of Gotham in general is also welcome.
I hope you all enjoy what's coming in Detective and welcome all feedback, positive or negative, or anything in between.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 23:30:12 GMT -5
And so it begins....Ultimate Detective Comics #1, Part 1 of the two-part Urban Legend is up. I changed my mind and posted on the first anyways...
As always, comments, criticism, and reactions of any sort are more than welcome...
-M
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Mar 31, 2012 23:47:56 GMT -5
I know why you posted it on the first and I approve.
Since I've been a part of your planning from the beginning, I can't really offer up much in the way of comments since I've already given them to you. I like what you've done with Batman and the direction you want to take. Giving him a realistic edge without copying Nolan (and doing better when it comes to utilizing the "Batfamily"). I'm interested to see how his batsuit evolves in the five years and I think you probably could benefit from surfing some places for a batcostume or use a hero creator thing.
Oh, from experience, I know how jelly just stains everything.
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Post by buck on Apr 1, 2012 1:24:50 GMT -5
Was very well written. It's an interesting set up for sure. I really wish you'd been around at the beginning to see what you could do with full control of the Bat family. Nonetheless, I'm extremely excited to see Talia hinted at in the first issue and only hope it leads to Ra's. Also i hope you take the Detective bit to heart and deliver us some awesome stuff with this title.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 1:30:15 GMT -5
Was very well written. It's an interesting set up for sure. I really wish you'd been around at the beginning to see what you could do with full control of the Bat family. Nonetheless, I'm extremely excited to see Talia hinted at in the first issue and only hope it leads to Ra's. Also i hope you take the Detective bit to heart and deliver us some awesome stuff with this title. If you like Ra's stay tuned... Glad you liked the set up, there's a lo I want to do with this title but the hardest part is letting it build logically and not dumping everything out there all at once. As for Detective's title, the title is important, but so is the subtitle... -M
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Post by liquidsword34 on Apr 1, 2012 7:23:26 GMT -5
I really enjoyed your first issue, extremely well written. In particular the thugs talking about Batman around the poker table. It seemed to have some life too it, if that makes sense. The whole talking about what they've heard about the Batman thing has been done before alot but I think you wrote it very well, so it came off as fresh.
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Post by C_Miller on Apr 2, 2012 2:59:57 GMT -5
No fair!
Haha, that was fantastic, man. The character work is great, as per usual. Bruce was a bit flat, but I think that works for his personality. Pretty much all of my criticisms can probably be countered by the fact that this was just the first issue, so I won't bother getting into them.
Second, knowing your pitch before hand, it's really cool to see everything come into fruition. All the stuff I pictured, is like 100 times better here.
I think it's safe to say that I'm so happy that we have a true Batman here for the first time.
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Post by jackalope on Apr 5, 2012 8:14:02 GMT -5
Finally got to read. Awesome. Loved the setup, the media interaction (I couldn't help but hear Lucius's dialogue read by Morgan Freeman in my head). Clever move making Bruce Wayne 'crippled' to the world- a much smarter way to throw off any connection to Batman. The vampire reference was a neat mention. Also like the Alfred as Actor scene, nice way to incorporate alternate versions of his history. I'm looking forward to seeing how you establish Batman fully in this universe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2012 2:09:42 GMT -5
I know it's only been a week, but Ultimate Detective Comics#2 is up, completing the Urban Legend 2 part intro to the Batman's world. Next issue moves forward five years to the present with our first look at the contemporary Batman.
-M
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Post by liquidsword34 on Apr 8, 2012 8:21:56 GMT -5
Really liked this, especially the ending as it should allow for more story options. Can't find any flaws in this really, which makes for a very short review unfortunately.
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Post by buck on Apr 10, 2012 10:06:06 GMT -5
I enjoyed the way that you maintained Bruce's relationship with ra's with a bit I a twist with the warrior moniker. Can't wait to see where the title ends up
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Post by superecwfan1 on Apr 11, 2012 18:28:40 GMT -5
#1 was pretty cool and usually what we get from the Bruce Wayne were all used to really. He is a mask of sorts and having the appearances of Silver St. Cloud and Vicki Vale was a nice touch there . I also liked the set up with Talia at the at the end after the Matches Malone spot.
But my one small complaint was ...and knowing your a good enough writer to do it...was resolving TKJ's arc in a way. To bring it home and all. I would have loved to see that get finished off in a way there. Because I hate to see it get wasted in a way .
But I will be happy to read #2 soon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2012 23:25:19 GMT -5
#1 was pretty cool and usually what we get from the Bruce Wayne were all used to really. He is a mask of sorts and having the appearances of Silver St. Cloud and Vicki Vale was a nice touch there . I also liked the set up with Talia at the at the end after the Matches Malone spot. But my one small complaint was ...and knowing your a good enough writer to do it...was resolving TKJ's arc in a way. To bring it home and all. I would have loved to see that get finished off in a way there. Because I hate to see it get wasted in a way . But I will be happy to read #2 soon. During the period when Kurt Busiek was writing Avengers and the early arcs of Conan, I was on a private mailing list with him, and whenever someone would complain he didn't get to something they wanted to see or asked him if he was going to get around to something he would always post the same answer: Wait and See. So I am going to channel my inner Busiek ... Regarding TKJ's storyline and/or Vampire Bats-wait and see. -M
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Post by C_Miller on Apr 29, 2012 18:23:53 GMT -5
Again, right now we're still in the area where you're essentially just filling out your initial pitch, so I know what's going on. The title has yet to kick into high gear, but there's definitely a lot to be interested in. The one thing I like is how you're setting up a Bat-Family, even though the Bat Family has been cut up due to TKJ's rejection of anything related to the Batman mythos.
And I'm definitely interested seeing more from Gordon, the most connected man in the Ultimate DC Universe.
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Post by superecwfan1 on Apr 29, 2012 18:45:17 GMT -5
I am split on some aspects of #2. I think there is a rush to inject as many Bat-Family as possible too soon really. My main things I liked was the personal damage physically being Batman has done to Bruce and his relationship with Silver St. Cloud. I also liked seeing Alfred back and developments with Leob and Copplepot .
But the main issues is , you built some suspense with Ra's being dead and seemed to build a nice mystery. Then quickly cut that mystery out with an easy out of having him on video. It was really... something you would never picture the brilliant villain Ra's doing. He would have led Batman to him face to face....and at the end revealed he was alive.
The race to rush Bat-Family members in is a bit weird. Its only the #2 of the current Batman in this DCU. Yet , he's got a son already. I understand the need to introduce more allies for Bruce. But its the rushing aspect here. I'd rather we get more development for Bruce Wayne since he's not had much in the current UDCU.
Hope we get that,
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Apr 29, 2012 18:56:32 GMT -5
How do you know he rushed to add any Batfamily members in?
This isn't Ultimate Batman. It's Ultimate Detective Comics. You're letting preconceptions misguide you.
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Post by superecwfan1 on Apr 29, 2012 19:04:42 GMT -5
How do you know he rushed to add any Batfamily members in? This isn't Ultimate Batman. It's Ultimate Detective Comics. You're letting preconceptions misguide you. Which is possible. But usually when you think of Damian you don't think of him as a baby really. You think of him as Robin. So that is what I was thinking here I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 19:49:47 GMT -5
Cue: Mr Busiek...."Wait and See!"
I am not rushing to add elements of the Bat-family, they were there from the inception in my pitch.
The 2-parter was meant to introduce Bruce as Batman and the idea that he, Ra’s and Talia have a history before he ever donned the cowl.
Readers also need to forget preconceptions as to who Ra's is and what his personality is. Denny O'Neil's Ra's was, but his fatal flaw was his ego, he always assumed he could beat Batman one on one, and no matter how many times Bruce bested him, Ra's never learned. That came across to me as someone who may be brilliant in some aspects, but being unable to learn from your mistakes works against that brilliance. The Ra's you see in #2 is one who commands vast resources and uses them to his advantage. A direct confrontation may not have been in his best interest at that time, or perhaps the child was a lure to draw Bruce to him... again wait and see. The plot involving Bruce's child will play out over the long haul.
As to why do it already, well if it is Damian (and that is not certain-the only ones who know are me and the person who has the claim for Damian), and Damian is active in the current UDCU, he needs to have been conceived some time ago to be old enough to do so (unless he is a clone grown from Bruce's DNA and artificially aged but he's not), so the conception had to take place before Bruce became Batman.
The second arc moves forward in time 5 years and opens in Dec 2011. It features a Bruce that has been the Bat for some five years, and establishes the current status quo for Bruce. It is a 4-parter and will carry the title into continuity. Parts one and two are plotted already in detailed outline form, parts 3 and 4 in beat breakdown form, and I am working on the script for issue #3 (part 1) today between reading issues on the site, commenting, and catching up on my stack of unread comics. This arc introduces the Ultimate Penguin and Batman's current partner with a few other surprises along the way.
After that I will do a few issues that are one-and-dones or two-parters introducing some of the other rogues (Miss Isley is mentioned in #2 and will appear in one of these).
The next major arc will fill in some of the details Bruce took to become Batman as events cause him to reflect on the choices he has made over the years and will explore some of the repercussions of that scenes with Talia at the end of #2.
The thing with developing Bruce is that as Miller mentioned Bruce is a bit vanilla in some ways and works best when he has others to play off of him as foils. Alfred, Gordon, etc. all work that way in the traditional DCU, and the Bat-family I am building will serve to do that here I hope.
There are a lot of seeds planted in 1 and 2 that will start to bear fruit, and I haven't even started laying the foundation for the Ultimate Joker yet. Ultimate Batman's story here started in medias res, it will grow both forward and back as issues come out.
I appreciate the comments, and that people are taking time to read this and take the time to comment, so please keep it up. I just want people to realize there is a plan, trust me I want to get this stuff out there for it to play out, but it will take some time. I got 2 issues of 'Tec out in April and I hope to get 2 out in May as well, so keep coming back and I will keep writing them.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2012 2:17:43 GMT -5
The first of hopefully two May issues of Detective is up. #3 starts the Story arc entitled Heavy is the Head that Wears the Crown. Part 1 is entitled The King is Dead! It will be a four-parter and it takes place roughly in the present time (late 2011 in UDCU time).
Hope you all enjoy.
-M
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Post by C_Miller on May 1, 2012 11:24:28 GMT -5
Loved it. Probably the best thing in this title is that it's almost more of an Ultimate Gotham title rather than Ultimate Batman. You give Gotham a very distinctive flavor and you're well on your way to making it feel like a real place. I can only hope I'm as successful as you are in terms of Keystone City, which you know a little bit about now.
One thing I also really like that Batman has an extremely distinctive voice and I can definitely hear it in my head, so that's always a plus.
There was one thing I was a little confused over though. I'm not sure if I missed it, but does Sarah Essen know that Batman is Bruce? She seemingly called his phone and he answered in a "normal" voice, yet she referred to his at Batman. I'm not sure if it was mentioned earlier or what and I missed it.
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