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Post by unchartedfan1 on Sept 11, 2012 23:20:56 GMT -5
When are the new rules going up? I'm real curious to see them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 1:15:50 GMT -5
When are the new rules going up? I'm real curious to see them. I wouldn't expect to see the new rules until October once Future Darkside launches. I can't say for certain, but that would be my guess. -M
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Post by jackalope on Sept 12, 2012 2:57:24 GMT -5
Wow, it's great to see everyone talking, even with some of the angry undertones. Wachter- glad to see you around, I hope you keep writing; there's a trio of hairy kids out there who need us to tell their story. You've done more than your fair share of work to keep the site ticking along in our stretches of silence, I'd love to see what comes of the Spoilers.
Excitement is the buzz word we're throwing around. We all had it, that's why we started this damned hobby. For some of us it lasted months, for others only days, perhaps only minutes. Bkole, I suspect you're right about the natural waning of a site like this. It's hard to keep going, even when you've got a vision of what you want to create. I get bored and am constantly tempted to start new titles, I'm pretty tempted to start one with this new reboot (fuck yes... Ultimate Ex Machina) but I'm going to try and stick it out with my WW and S.H.A.D.E. title; I've set stuff up and I'm hoping to at least see some of it through.
Now, a new universe is tempting (I've always been keen on a shared elseworld with some weird change to work with), but I think avoiding it, at least for now is the best course (personally). One well formed universe beats two half-formed IMO. Remember, if you really want to, you can always attempt to start a sister site (imagine the crossover possibilities). I would like to make the suggestion though of perhaps separating the stories not in continuity (eg future set stories) with the ones that are.
Some ideas to get your minds buzzing: -Future Dark Side: Buck's pet project, and this sites coming Flashpoint. Look up the old thread, it should be hiding somewhere. Think about contributing- your hero, in the apokalyptik future of a world torn apart by Darksied, how cool is that? -JLA: it's been ages since it's been brought up, but what are people thinking? I'm thinking... Yes. -New Titles: Do people have ideas? Pitches? I'd love to see what people are thinking...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 4:00:43 GMT -5
I think to be clear, I'm not angry (I know that you're not necessarily suggesting that I am) I'm just putting forward suggestions. This has generated a lot of discussion, which may not necessarily be bad at all.
I will say, I was a big fan of Ex Machina the first time around, so an Ultimate idea for it might be cool. Would it be focused on the Great Machine more, on the politics of everything? Vaughn's work was always populated with high concepts nestled in realistic settings. I loved that.
Well, before the New Universe idea, I was going to wait until the end of uni and then put forward a Wetworks series, but with a bit of a twist to it. I was also thinking about a Challengers of the Unknown series, or, something to do with the Milestone characters. I know I'd very much like a different shot at an Animal Man series, or perhaps something with Constantine or Stormwatch. We'll see how things pan out with the New Universe - I know some guys have just started series' with both Animal Man and Stormwatch at the forefront, so I'd never want to take them away from them.
I think people get bored with their ideas because a lot of the time they're co-dependant on what is happening in comics. A friend of mine, he only writes when he hates a series. His favourite character is Dr Fate, so he writes him constantly, but he was writing Aquaman and that sort of died a death, as he's enjoying the Aquaman series currently.
Discussion is indeed good!
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Post by unchartedfan1 on Sept 12, 2012 7:50:12 GMT -5
So are G. Arrow and Hawkman up? And what Hex? Are all of those being dropped?
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Post by liquidsword34 on Sept 12, 2012 9:17:59 GMT -5
So are G. Arrow and Hawkman up? And what Hex? Are all of those being dropped? Superecwfan hasn't logged in in almost 6 weeks, so I'd assume yes for GA ad HM. not sure about Hex. I'd assume that before the draft a concrete list of what titles are being kept would be made.
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Post by liquidsword34 on Sept 12, 2012 9:24:51 GMT -5
-New Titles: Do people have ideas? Pitches? I'd love to see what people are thinking... The Boys first 6 issues were published by DC and they could work very well in a Superman vs The Elite sort of role for a street level character. I'd like to see a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen title using Vertigo/Wildstorm characters. I'm pretty sure Stardrifter's MIA, so the lanterns are up for grab. Maybe a blue lantern title? Or giving rings to an existing character who hasn't had one before? Just thinking out loud really
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Post by Ultimate Silentking on Sept 12, 2012 10:28:41 GMT -5
Now, a new universe is tempting (I've always been keen on a shared elseworld with some weird change to work with), but I think avoiding it, at least for now is the best course (personally). One well formed universe beats two half-formed IMO. Remember, if you really want to, you can always attempt to start a sister site (imagine the crossover possibilities). I would like to make the suggestion though of perhaps separating the stories not in continuity (eg future set stories) with the ones that are. There is All Star Marvel. That count?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 14:02:50 GMT -5
Some quick notes/reactions to comments: Superecw posted he would be away for personal reasons and intended to return, so let's not assume anything at this point. As for who will or won't be available and how it will work, Miller has already outlined the basics if you read his initial post. I quoted the relevant parts below. Hello all, ... In November or so, all the current titles will end and everyone will get a chance to start over with new number ones (or zeroes or .5s or how every you want to start). What makes this different than a hard reboot is that should you choose, you will be able to retain the history of your title and continue your series from there if you choose. You could also start over should you choose on your title. ... The way the reclaiming process will work is a "draft system." I want everyone who will be interested in starting a new title to either PM me or better yet, post here. Then they will be entered into an internet randomizer where a random order will be produced. That will be the order that titles are claimed in. You will have twelve hours from the approval of the last title to claim yours. If you are late, you will be moved by down one. This isn't a perfect system, but I feel like it's the fairest way due to time zones and what not. Another thing is that we are going to be changing the rules to address some major issues that have come up over the last year and a half. I look forward to the future of this site and I hope you will all join us. This is a process folks, and it will take some time to work though. First up is Future Darkside to wrap things up and give some closure. Then the guidelines for how things will work moving forward. Then the actual relaunch. But if you look at what Miller put, those interested in continuing titles will contact him and let him know. Others who wish to launch new titles also need to let him know. Everyone that wants to take part will get one title at launch, as it is a clean start, so you need to reach requirements for second title. If you are continuing one of your titles-there's your one. Once we know who is continuing, we will then have an idea of what titles/characters are available. Those wanting to make new claims will be put in a randomizer as Miller said to determine a draft order. Writers will make claims in that order. This will likely happen sometime in October so that the relaunch can take place in November. There is still a lot of work to do, and it will take some time, so patience will be helpful here, as this is definitely a case where haste will make waste as good ole Ben Franklin said. Some people have some issues with Miller and what he has or has not done for the site, I understand that. Many of us have voiced our frustrations over the past 6 months. It is put up or shut up time. I've told him it is time to lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way, but that I would give him the benefit of the doubt to see what he could do and pitch in however he needed me. He wants to do this right, and that is going to take some time and effort. Will it work...all we can do it wait and see The only thing that was unanimously agreed on was the something needed to be done. There was no initial consensus of what that was. There is no making everyone happy, making that the goal is a fool's errand. But eventually a course of action was decided on. Will it work? Who knows but for me it is better to go down in a blaze of glory rather than sitting around waiting for the site to fade away. I for one an glad this had led to some activity and discussion here. If nothing else, the decision has wakened the slumbering giant-now whether that is good or bad ...Wait and see. Some may ask what my stake is in all of this...it's the same as when I got here. I came looking for someplace where I no longer had to write in a vacuum. Writing can be very solitary and isolating, as you tend to live in your head. I could not find a local writer's circle to build community with like-minded individuals who could read, write, critique, and help me grow as a writer. I went looking online for such a community, and this is one that I found that dealt with subject matter I liked. After six months, I felt like that community was fading, and I didn't want to lose it or have to go looking elsewhere. I don't really care how big or how small the community is, just how active. Are people reading what has been written and offering commentary? Are people writing? Is there an exchange of ideas? Is it helping me become a better writer? It's an entirely selfish point of view, I know. But the answer to most of those questions in July or August was no for the most part. There were dribs and drabs, but for the most part the community had gone dormant. I considered leaving, and took a break to figure out what I wanted to do. I decided the site and the community was worth fighting for, so I came back to find it even more dormant than before. Now we are doing something. Is it the right thing? Don't know, but it was either do something or walk away. I wasn't ready to walk away. -M
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Post by unchartedfan1 on Sept 12, 2012 23:11:34 GMT -5
If I may suggest this for post-reboot:
I think you should gather the roster for the future Justice League and build everything towards that event and have everything loosely planned at least so if there is a writer change for some reason you can just hand it over. Also, this gives everyone more time and also lets anyone be a part of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 23:43:50 GMT -5
If I may suggest this for post-reboot: I think you should gather the roster for the future Justice League and build everything towards that event and have everything loosely planned at least so if there is a writer change for some reason you can just hand it over. Also, this gives everyone more time and also lets anyone be a part of it. I'd tend to disagree. I think events should grow out of the stories writers here are telling, not be forced on them from outside. If this is a hobby and not a job, why would a writer stick around to do a story they don't want to tell or that interferes with the story they are telling long term. Events are cool sometimes, but should remain optional for the writers to participate in. Dictating to someone claiming Superman or Batman or whoever would be in the JLA that you have to tell this kind of story so it fits with something we are going to do months from now seems like a disincentive to taking those characters and really cutting loose with your best ideas for them since you have to curtail those for someone else before you start. Yes it is a shared sandbox, but it is also a place for people to explore their ideas. But that's just my 2 cents worth, feel free to ignore it. -M
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Post by liquidsword34 on Sept 13, 2012 6:14:39 GMT -5
If I may suggest this for post-reboot: I think you should gather the roster for the future Justice League and build everything towards that event and have everything loosely planned at least so if there is a writer change for some reason you can just hand it over. Also, this gives everyone more time and also lets anyone be a part of it. I'd tend to disagree. I think events should grow out of the stories writers here are telling, not be forced on them from outside. If this is a hobby and not a job, why would a writer stick around to do a story they don't want to tell or that interferes with the story they are telling long term. Events are cool sometimes, but should remain optional for the writers to participate in. Dictating to someone claiming Superman or Batman or whoever would be in the JLA that you have to tell this kind of story so it fits with something we are going to do months from now seems like a disincentive to taking those characters and really cutting loose with your best ideas for them since you have to curtail those for someone else before you start. Yes it is a shared sandbox, but it is also a place for people to explore their ideas. But that's just my 2 cents worth, feel free to ignore it. -M I think what he means is make a thread just after the reboot saying "who wants there character in the JLA?", and then whomever is writing it has a good idea of what they have, if that makes sense.
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Post by unchartedfan1 on Sept 13, 2012 17:04:29 GMT -5
That's what I mean.
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Post by Ultimate Silentking on Sept 13, 2012 22:46:47 GMT -5
You know what? I am gonna drop Suicide Squad. For this continuity. Not for post Future Darkside. I will be doing a different version of my Suicide Squad line after the reboot. I just don't see the point of continuing, especially since odds are very unlikely that I will reach continuity or finish the first arc.
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Post by buck on Sept 13, 2012 22:55:22 GMT -5
Yeah at this point I'd suggest everyone stops work on their titles. Shortly, we'll give some details as to what we are looking for tie-ins with the boards ending arc.
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Post by unchartedfan1 on Sept 16, 2012 10:41:01 GMT -5
So is it safe for me to start calling this the UDCnU?
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Post by jay on Sept 16, 2012 15:15:33 GMT -5
Well. You guys can stop writing if you want. I'm going to try and complete Primal Force as a miniseries for right now just so I can get the story out of my head. I would like the keep the title since I am thinking with the reboot the only thing I might do is rewrite issue 1 the way I originally wanted to try it and see if it works better.
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Post by liquidsword34 on Sept 16, 2012 16:19:38 GMT -5
Well. You guys can stop writing if you want. I'm going to try and complete Primal Force as a miniseries for right now just so I can get the story out of my head. I would like the keep the title since I am thinking with the reboot the only thing I might do is rewrite issue 1 the way I originally wanted to try it and see if it works better. You don't have to reboot, you can just carry on as normal if you want (I think).
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Post by C_Miller on Sept 17, 2012 13:18:40 GMT -5
Well. You guys can stop writing if you want. I'm going to try and complete Primal Force as a miniseries for right now just so I can get the story out of my head. I would like the keep the title since I am thinking with the reboot the only thing I might do is rewrite issue 1 the way I originally wanted to try it and see if it works better. Since you only have one issue and are most likely entirely not involved in other people's continuity, you'll be fine. Do your re-write of the first issue and continue from there.
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Post by jay on Sept 19, 2012 1:54:16 GMT -5
Aight.
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