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Post by jordan on Feb 16, 2014 22:50:09 GMT -5
So I'm just trying to figure out how wallpaper claims work on this board. When I originally had posted my claims for GLC, I was told that the GLC, BLC & YLC were not wallpaper. I wasn't given a reason, but I didn't really need one because I thought it was pretty reasonable. But then I was looking through the claims list and found several questionable wallpapers claimed y several authors. A list follows as:
Adrini - Birds of Prey - John Zatara, Prominent Magician and lead to his own feature in the Golden Age of Comics.
Adrini - Green Arrow - Black Canary I, Super heroine and usually appears as some form of love interest/sidekick.
CMiller - Starman - The O'Dare Family, a family of policemen dating back to the 19th century in Opal City.
CMiller - Starman - Ted/David Knight, both Prominent superheroes Starman.
Wachter - 'Haven - Kathy Kane, also known as Batwoman.
Wachter - 'Haven - Scarface, that famous puppet we all love.
I'm just wondering what constitutes as a wallpaper. Prior to this little excursion of mine, I'd assumed it was a character that had no value away from a certain mythos, but I find that isn't the case, would someone mind clearing it up for me?
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Feb 17, 2014 0:04:14 GMT -5
Zatara is a carry over from some old cases of claims that just we've just gone with.
Canary I and Kathy Kane were crisis/golden age ruling where characters were the same until they weren't. Then Grant Morrison had to go and make another Katherine Kane who technically is still claimable. She's just not gonna be related to Bette Kane.
Knights I assume had something to do with family legacy of "lesser" properties.
Don't know about the O'Dares.
As for Scarface, I can only assume that Dob put him under wallpaper because he is for the Ventriloquist. Just his way of noting both in the claims.
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Post by jordan on Feb 17, 2014 0:15:23 GMT -5
See, and that doesn't make since to me. Canary I is absolutely her own character and, in all reality, first appeared in Flash Comics and so I just don't understand that. Kathy Kane was Batwoman for years, and so she shouldn't be wallpaper, at least that's the way my mind is processing it. If we're going with legacies are wallpaper that would give me Azrael right off the bat (no pun intended) as wallpaper, wouldn't it? I'm still unclear on Zatara. I don't mean to make a fuss, I'm just trying to figure out how best to use the claiming process to my advantage and to understand the entirety of it.
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Post by C_Miller on Feb 17, 2014 7:23:58 GMT -5
Earth 1 & Earth 2 Black Canary were exactly the same character until they decided to create an Earth 1 and Earth 2. Various retcons would be put in place to describe how two relatively identical heroes exist and now they are mother and daughter. That's been a rule for a while now, since the beginning. Same with Hippolyta. She was retconned to be the JSA's Wonder Woman so she is wallpaper as well.
Ultimately, other than that it's all about context of the title. Obviously, for me my title is about the legacy of Starman as well as Opal City, therefore granting me the minor characters of the O'Dare Family as well as both Ted and David. And I would argue that David is not a prominent. He had a cameo in Zero Hour #0 and was in costume as Starman for 3 pages before being killed. Ted, I could see, but with the story of Starman as in the comics, there's no way anyone would be able to use him to any type of good use outside that story. Now in a team setting like if Jack was in JSA, I'd say that Ted wouldn't count as wallpaper because the Starman family is not the main focus. Therefore, I have the same opinion on Zatara. In a Zatanna title, he'd be wallpaper, but not so much in a team setting.
Kathy Kane is an interesting case. I'd agree that introduced in 52, Kate was supposed to be the Post-Crisis version of Kathy Kane. But as wachter said Morrison ruined it with the return of Kathy.
But yeah, some of these characters probably aren't wallpaper, but we do make mistakes sometimes. And as mistakes, we can't necessarily let them become the rule in which we run things.
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Post by oprahwindfury on Jul 13, 2014 21:02:42 GMT -5
I'm interested in writing a title and wanted to know what Wallpaper is.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Jul 13, 2014 21:19:03 GMT -5
I'm interested in writing a title and wanted to know what Wallpaper is. Hello and welcome. When you claim a title, you can claim up to twenty characters to use as Heroes, Villains, or Support characters. Wallpaper claims do not count towards this limit. Wallpaper claims are minor characters who you can basically get for free because of other claims you make. Family members or 'best friend' characters generally count as Wallpaper, for example. We judge what qualifies as wallpaper on a case-by-case basis. If you have questions on who you have in mind would count as wallpaper, feel free to ask. |
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Post by oprahwindfury on Jul 13, 2014 21:22:29 GMT -5
Thanks. Nothing in mind at the moment. I wanna take some time to read what's been created before attempting a title of my own.
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Post by oprahwindfury on Jul 13, 2014 23:23:40 GMT -5
OK. I have a question about a character. I was reading Knightfall and Phil Herlad popped out at me. In DC canon he's the son of a man killed by the Scarecrow on his first rampage. In Knightfall, he's coincidentally kidnapped by Scarecrow and saved by Batman.
I believe this would inspire him to become a hero, but want to side with the law. He would be a small community cop, part-timing as a super hero in a larger metropolitan area. It would work like the show Dexter, with him going beyond the arm of the law when needed.
In order to establish this, I would need to borrow some characters from the Batman title for the first issue only.
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Post by buck on Jul 14, 2014 10:32:51 GMT -5
For that idea you would need to touch base with the Batman writer (C_Miller) to get approval for use of characters on his claim list.
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