So the Phantom Stranger shows up in the DCnU...

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in Justice League #6 ( A book I normally don't get) and my lcs sold out of his initial order so I haven't seen it yet, but I understand he gets shot by this Pandora character they are building up using the Crimson Avenger's guns...really? Really? Gah! I'll pick up the issue when my lcs's reorder comes in, but man outside of the Snyder driven Batstuff I am not liking this DCnU all that much.

-M

[C_Miller]

I like The Flash, Batman, and Animal Man. And there's some other decent stuff out there, but I can't stand Justice League. It's clearly written for people who have never read a comic before and I can't stand that kind of pandering.

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Yeah, I like Snyder's Batman and I liked the issue of All Star Western that featured the first glimpse of the Owls that I picked up and the I,Vampire Batman x-over issues.

I did not like Justice League Dark-all my favorite characters handled by one of my least favorite writers in Peter Milligan. Great art, horrible characterization (what little of it there was) and just a plodding pace that never went anywhere. I don't mind decompressed stories if the character bits are good and the story goes someplace eventually but this had neither.

Based on Snyder's other stuff, I just picked up the 6 issues of Swamp Thing but haven;t read them yet.

I have flipped through a bunch of others featuring characters or concepts I liked and nothing has grabbed me. I may check out Aquaman or Justice League, but neither really stood out when I looked through them. Hawkman is awful, Flash is meh, Green Lantern is trotting out the same old Johns tropes he has been living off of since he took over the title without anything really new-it was interesting and innovative 3-4 years ago but by now it is tired and played out and nothing seems to be done to move it forward outside of the big events. The rest of the Batbooks are mediocre, Superman is just lost and Morrison seems to be phoning in his Action stuff from what I've seen. Wonder Woman isn't to my liking and the Titans/Young Justice line just looks ot be a mess.

I've heard good things about Lemire so I will check out JLDark again when he takes over and if I like it I may check out his Animal Man. I guess my biggest issue is recycling a lot of creators from the 90's whose work was tired and blah then and they haven't done anything different since then. There are a few new voices and some classic takes mixed in here and there but the bulk looks like someone handed the DCU to the Marvel 90's and Image guys and said he your stuff sold like wildfire then recreate the DCU to that standard, except it's 20 years later and the DC mythos is better than that.
-M

[The Wonderful Wachter]

If Robins turns out to be more than a rumor, I might forget my stance on trades. Other than that... I'm a bit behind on the new 52.

[buck]

Flash has been fantastic in my opinion with Manapal and Buccellato onwriting and art gives the book an unbelievable bit of flair.

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Mar 3, 2012 21:14:33 GMT -5 buck said:

Flash has been fantastic in my opinion with Manapal and Buccellato onwriting and art gives the book an unbelievable bit of flair.

Maybe I'll give Flash a closer look tomorrow when I am at the shop working on sorting back issues for the owner. It didn't really catch my eye when I flipped through it, but then I was biased as I like Wally as Flash better than I ever liked Barry (and I have a lot of issues with Barry as Flash that I kept through all my purges, so I like Barry too, just prefer Wally).

-M

[buck]

Mar 4, 2012 1:29:45 GMT -5 @mrp said:

Mar 3, 2012 21:14:33 GMT -5 buck said:

Flash has been fantastic in my opinion with Manapal and Buccellato onwriting and art gives the book an unbelievable bit of flair.

Maybe I'll give Flash a closer look tomorrow when I am at the shop working on sorting back issues for the owner. It didn't really catch my eye when I flipped through it, but then I was biased as I like Wally as Flash better than I ever liked Barry (and I have a lot of issues with Barry as Flash that I kept through all my purges, so I like Barry too, just prefer Wally).

-M

The key is in the layouts the books art is so dynamic. The main story has also done more for Barry then Johns did so Rebirth,

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So I tracked down the six Justice League issues and read them last night.

1) Impressions-that was the most anti-climatic battles with Darkseid I have ever read.

2) The reboot seems to have taken majestic iconic characters of mythic proportions and turned them into whiny one note brats.

3) Pandora is ummm underwhelming.

4) It's a train wreck and I think I need to see how badly they muck up the Marvels in the next series of back-ups in JL, call it morbid curiosity or masochism, I am not sure which. Oy.

-M

[buck]

Justice League has been a mess. Johns did a much better job with JSA and I'm not sure if he's being told to dumb it down to attract the most readers possible or if he's just losing it completely.

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When Johns is on, he is very good, not great, but very good. When he is off he is just plain awful. His Avengers run was one of the worst I read (and that is saying something because Chuck Austen did a run either right before or right after him and his still looked bad in comparison.

His earlier stuff (Hawkman, JSA, Stars & Stripes) is by far superior to his later efforts, in my opinion, and while his Green Lantern had a certain appeal, it has gotten stale and the title seems to stagnate on the concepts he introduced but aside form the events hasn't gone anywhere with.

I also think Dan Didio's creative input hurts the line as a whole. Someone on the CBR classic comics board commented that it is amazing that the creators of the DC animated division can take classic characters, retain their core and still do amazing things with them, yet the creative braintrust behind the comics seems at a loss with what to do with these characters. Johns, Didio and Lee have no input on the animated side but they are the visionaries for the comic side. If you're wondering where the problem is, look right there.

It's sad too, because there are a handful of great titles in the DCnU, but the line as a whole just seems to be lost to me.

-M