Yet another continuity topic (Timelines)

[The Wonderful Wachter]

I made this request last month and this month I'm going to start working on it with hopes of it being finished before the summer events. Hopefully, it'll be an easy to follow database. I already have a pretty comprehensive JSA and Batfamily timeline that I'll be simplifying soonish or alternately it'll get more complicated when Miller starts adding more to it. Who knows?

Please start on your own timelines. I know it's a hassle but what separates this site from other sorts of fanfiction is the shared continuity and universe. If you read my series, you'll notice that I try to give nods to others as much as possible without forcing you to HAVE to read something else. Helps give the feel that we're all tied together. This undertaking will help all of us to do so. And it's not something I can do by myself.

Important events are ultimately what matters (Golden Eagle, Fall of H.I.V.E., when heroes become active, deaths, the Tree of Light, etc...) but I won't fault someone for too much detail. Births are fine but feel free to be flexible on the exact dates if you wish.

Here are some events for you all to take into call.

2008: Ultimate Flashpoint

Early May 2011 (Admin Call): Superman flies onto the scene.
August 2011: Brave and the Bold starts airing.
Late August/Early September 2011: Eagle Point Penitentiary Breakout.
October 2011: Season Finale of BatB. Cluemaster steals JSA artifacts before being captured by the newly founded Spoilers (Stephanie Brown, Cassandra Cain, Beth Kane, Charlie Gage-Radcliffe). Wally West becomes Flash IV.
November 2011: Justice Society of America refounded under the leadership of Jack Knight AKA Starman.
Christmas 2011: The Blue Lantern of Gotham saves Robert Kane and other illustrious Gothamites.

New Years Eve 2011/New Years 2012: Father Time transforms.

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I am working out the timeline of events for the magical universe, but I have run across a dilemma concerning the Ultimate Zatanna 6 issue series as I try to place it in the timeline.

Here is the crux of it.

#1 mentions final exams for an accounting class, a total lunar eclipse and the weather in Metropolis is not wintry.

Finals points to an end of semester, so likely Dec or May, but Dec is unlikely due to lack of wintry weather.

The problem-eclipses-the only recent lunar eclipses are Dec 21, 2010, June 15, 2011, and Dec 10, 2011.

Now Dec 10 2011 is out because the main (non-flashback) events of Books of Magic #1-5 take place between Oct 31 and Nov. 2, 2011.

So that leaves Dec 2010 or June 2011 for these events.

The complication, issue 5 says a few weeks have passed and the students are preparing for a Halloween party. Zatara follows the Enchantress through the tree on Halloween...

which means it needs to be Halloween of 2010-problem no eclipse a few weeks before and Halloween doesn't take place a few weeks after final exams. Halloween 2010 is when the dryad Finarra is killed by Brother Night in BoM #1, so that can work, but a year between Zatarra gaining her powers and the events of BoM #1 is problematic, but the biggest issue is that prior to Dec 2010, the last total lunar eclipse was in Feb of 2008 so Ligur's ritual dependent on a total lunar eclipse doesn't fit.

So I am looking for opinions on how to place this all together for continuity's sake since it affects other stories.

The night that Zee saves her father is the night Stranger and Zatara go to Paris and that impacts events in CM & Shadowpact since they are acting because Will is unable or unwilling, so now those events need to be fit in as well.

I know wachter is the resident continuity cop, but I am soliciting opinions.

The solution I propose is as follows...

Metropolis U operates on quarter system not semester with a quarter ending at the end of June.

events in Zatanna #1 occur around June 15, 2011, the night of the total lunar eclipse.

Zee settles back in to college routine for a few weeks, finals take place and Zee is persuaded to go to end of year costume bash a Frat House's Graduation Halloween in June Bash where the events of #5 and #6 take place at the end of June 2011....

Whatever decision we make will require a little fudging and/or retconning to make everything fit, so what do people think?

-M

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Here is my draft of the magical timeline with the events of the Zatanna series being placed in June 2011. It covers BoM #1-4, 2.5 and 4.5, CM & Shadowpact 5 and 6, and Zatanna 1-4 so far

A Timeline for the events of the Books of Magic and the Shadowpact

Antiquity
Undetermined time
-the demoness Tala gives birth to Lillith, the first wife of Adam, father unknown

10th century BC
-the helm of Nabu is brought to the Temple of Solomon, possibly used by Solomon as an advisor/source of Wisdom, present when the Temple is taken, but never found by raiders

1st century AD
-Phantom Stranger present at Cavalry

Medieval Period
12th century AD
-helm of Nabu found under remains of Temple of Solomon by the knights who would found the Order of the Poor Knights of the Temple of Solomon (a.k.a. the Knights Templar)

14th century AD
-helm of Nabu taken from Paris priory on eve of the fall of the Templars to Italy via Wintersgate Mansion by Sir Frederic de la Batson, who assumed the name Federico in Italy

Early Modern Period

15th century
-1478 AD Giovanno Pico della Mirandola uses the Book of Flesh to incarnate Tala into the body of a newborn babe

-1499 AD, Federico passes the helm along to Leonardo da Vinci


16th century
-1503 AD: Tala tries to steal the helm of Nabu from Leonardo, her incarnated form is killed by the Phantom Stranger.

-1503 AD: Cornelius Agrippa and Kristina (a.k.a. Kid Eternity) take possession of the helm of Nabu from Leonardo

-1503 AD: Giovanni a boy from the village of Zatara enters into the service of the Shadowpact and becomes Leonardo’s servant and apprentice; he is homo magi and the ancestor of John Zatara, Zatanna Zatara, and Zachery Zatara.

18th century
-1723 AD: John Constantine appears and saves Lady Johanna Constantine form being burned at the stake as a witch

-Gypsy girl named Rosa nearly killed by demon summoned by fellow gypsy Tannarak using the Book of Flesh, Phantom Stranger’s kiss saves girl granting her immortality, she becomes Madame Xanadu

Modern Period

1899
-birth of Richard Occult and Rose Psychic and their adoption by the Seven

1917
-Dr. Occult becomes Phantom Stranger’s partner as operatives in Shadowpact

1980
-John Zatara becomes Phantom Stranger’s partner as operative of the Shadowpact

1997
November
-Tim Hunter born on All Soul’s Day, mother apparently dies in childbirth

-Arion of Atlantis brings Amy, heir to House Amethyst to home of Winstons to be fostered

-Puck tries to steal Tim Hunter for Faerie on orders of Queen Titania, foiled by Phantom Stranger

2002
-a hellhound attacks Tim and Amy but is defeated by the Phantom Stranger and Father Richard Craemer

2008
-Tannarak attempts to incarnate Tala in Haiti using the Book of Flesh. Phantom Stranger, John Zatara, and Deadman foil their plans.

-They capture the Book of Flesh and JohnZatara takes it into safekeeping for the Shadowpact

2010

March
-John Constantine begins studies with Madame Xanadu

June
-John Constantine works with John Zatara and the Phantom Stranger for the first time

October
-Halloween-Brother Night learns Tim Hunter is incarnation of the Archmagus from dryad Finnara in Bewitched. Tannarak overhears revelation. Night kills Finarra

2011

June
-Zatanna Zatara discovers her magical abilities (no date given in Zatanna #1-4 but mentions final exams at Metropolis U and no mention of winter weather as characters choose clothes or we see outdoor scenes, and only total lunar eclipses of 2011 occurred on June 15 or Dec 10, and Dec 10th is after events of BoM #1-5, so has to be end of spring semester-the other option is to push it back to Dec 2010 as this is when the previous total lunar eclipse occurs, but that is a bit too far back for the rest of the events in our DCU)

-Phantom Stranger and John Zatara face demon child associated with Xanadu’s visions of Ravens in Paris

-Stranger decides a new gathering of mystical guardians may be needed to face upcoming events

October

-Zachary Zatanna discovers the Secret History of the Shadowpact in library at Shadowcrest

-Zachary unknowingly comes into possession of the Book of Flesh at Shadowcrest

-Phantom Stranger begins to gather a group of mystical heroes (including Madame Xanadu, Zatanna Zatara, John Constantine, Mark Merlin, and Deadman) together just before Halloween, arranging for them to meet on Halloween at Wintersgate Mansion

Halloween
-Baron Winters appears to betray the Phantom Stranger to Tannarak who captures the Stranger and brings him to Bewitched in San Francisco

-Arion of Atlantis, disguised as Father Richard Craemer gives Tim Hunter a shard of the Amethyst of Gemworld to give to Amy as a birthday gift

-Tannarak trades Stranger to Puck of Faerie for unknown boon, but Puck is unable to hold Stranger and he escapes

-John Constantine uses portal in Wintersgate Mansion to escape confrontation with Zatanna and Madame Xanadu and winds up in pre-revolutionary France.

-The Cold Flame makes an attempt to kill Tim Hunter but is foiled by John Zatara

-Tannarak and the Dark Circle attack the mystic heroes gathered at Wintersgate Mansion

-John Constantine arrives through portal from France with Lady Joanna in tow

-Tannarak captured in a mystic globe by Madame Xanadu

-Mark Merlin succumbs to dark curse and becomes werecat and stays with Winters

-Phantom Stranger arrives after cultists defeated and gathers heroes together to enter portal to go to protect Tim and Amy as they inherit their powers

-Winters pays his tithe to hell giving them an angel

November

All Soul’s Day
-Timothy’s yo-yo transforms into an owl

-William Hunter looks at photograph of Tim’s mother, a fey looking woman

-Tim displays first hint of magical ability

-Tim gives Amethyst to Amy

-Tim and Amy share first kiss

-several forces are aware that Tim and Amy have come into their power and set events into motion including the Fey Court, Dark Opal, The Cold Flame, and Brother Night

[elite147]

Ultimate Superman:

Star's first story arc (#1-4) happens in late May 2011, as stated above.
I'm retconning the Parasite Arc to take place a rough month later in June 2011.
Issue #10 will follow a 9-month time-skip starting in late March 2012, with following issue #11 taking place at the beginning of April.

-Elite

[Stardrifter]

Green Lantern Timeline

October 2011 - Hal Jordan is chosen as a GL.

November 2011 - Tree of Light is discovered. Begins sending rings out, slowly.

December 2011 - Hal begins splitting his time between Oa, patrolling Sector 2814, and being a hero on Earth.

May 2012 - Fall of Oa. Tree of Light is cut off from this dimension. No more rings are sent out. Kyle Rayner is chosen as the supposed last of the Green Lantern Corps.

[superecwfan1]

I'm not gonna lock down time periods per say. Due to the fact the characters I have in Green Arrow start out at 26/27 basically.

[elite147]

This post may change because I'm not 100% sure if this was the final solution that me and Miller came up with, but

Watchmen #1-4: January 2012

And that means that the Zero issue I plan to past after that arc finishes puts Watchmen #0 in the November - December of 2011.

-Elite

[The Wonderful Wachter]

Jun 14, 2012 18:15:49 GMT -5 superecwfan1 said:

I'm not gonna lock down time periods per say. Due to the fact the characters I have in Green Arrow start out at 26/27 basically.

Not quite sure what that means given I'm perfectly fine if someone wants age leeway but given that you had big things like a Boomtubing Kalibak, a big Terrible Toyman battle, and an Alien landing and the shared continuity... Seems like that'd be big news.