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Post by tjkernan on Nov 25, 2011 18:14:30 GMT -5
has the worlds 1st superhero been established yet??? Depends on how old we are talking here. Backlash, DMZ, and Triumph are all Kherubim half breeds and have been around for hundreds of years...
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Post by C_Miller on Nov 25, 2011 18:59:56 GMT -5
has the worlds 1st superhero been established yet??? Not really. We were talking about it being Superman, but the JSA was around in Vietnam...
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Post by jasonred11 on Nov 25, 2011 19:52:50 GMT -5
i was thinking of putting a heroes origin in WWII
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Post by Stardrifter on Nov 25, 2011 20:32:24 GMT -5
It also depends on your definition of super hero.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Nov 25, 2011 21:01:02 GMT -5
As the unofficial keeper of continuity. It's Jay Garrick as the first Superhero followed by (unless Superman somehow traveled back in time or Chris has retconned some of his initial ideas) Blue Beetle I and Starman. Then you have others like Wildcat I who have been alive and in the public eye for close to a century but weren't recognized as Superheroes until after the JSA "disbandment" and the opening of some of their service records.
First modern Superhero, or rather the one who changes it all, is Superman despite Barry being active through the 90s and early 2000s. Probably has to do with the whole no mask thing.
Edit: Yep. Retconned. Starman right after WWII followed by various other JSA members.
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Post by C_Miller on Nov 25, 2011 21:14:14 GMT -5
That's right. I kind of forgot Starman. Yes, Ted Knight was the first superhero.
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Post by Stardrifter on Nov 25, 2011 21:25:19 GMT -5
I really don't care if Superman is first of anything or not. I figured Flash had been around for some time with Jessie as his sidekick.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Nov 25, 2011 21:40:27 GMT -5
I've seen Chris's Barry as more a simple American hero who helped hammer in the American love of superspeed. From what I've read and been told, outside of Flashpoint, he really didn't do much for the world at large. Come Justice League, whomever is that Flash will most likely be more known worldwide since I don't think the public populace really gets what happened with his sacrifice.
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Post by Stardrifter on Nov 25, 2011 21:55:03 GMT -5
Even if Barry was sticking mostly to one city, I find it hard to believe the rest of the world wouldn't know about the guy running around at near the speed of light in bright red pajamas while fighting super villains with his blond teenage girl sidekick.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Nov 25, 2011 22:17:31 GMT -5
Then you start getting into what defines first and modern. Barry could be known the world over but there is also the point that as far as we've seen in the current comics, outside of Jess, he didn't inspire other heroes or was followed by other heroes. His activity overlapped that of the JSA's so he's something of a bridge between the older generation and the current generation. He was something of a solo act.
In terms of modern if you include Barry, I think... It goes Barry -> Jess and Jack. Then you have a rapid explosion of superheroes in the past year circling around Supes. Supes, Hal and other Lanterns, Wonder Woman, Hawkman, and the cast of BatB (apologies if I missed your hero). Superman gets a tad more prominence among that batch by virtue of publicity and probably some merchandising. From the moment you had him step on the scene, he was "open" with the public. Not something seen that often.
Or it could be something as simple as Barry died last decade and we categorize them by the fact Jack and Jess were the only two "new" before the explosion into the age of heroes.
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Post by jasonred11 on Nov 25, 2011 22:59:18 GMT -5
so thats a no 2 my 1945 hero i was planning???
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Post by C_Miller on Nov 25, 2011 23:03:34 GMT -5
I'm not really in the business of saying no to anything as an admin, but we're going to need to see if it contradicts what's already been written down.
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Post by jasonred11 on Nov 25, 2011 23:19:56 GMT -5
well i havent read anything that happens in wwii but its basically a guy sees a white light that gives him powers and he leads a massive attack at the end of the war and inspires the soldiers as their ″first real hero″
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Nov 26, 2011 0:04:10 GMT -5
There's already the Veteran for that if you're going American.
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Post by jasonred11 on Nov 26, 2011 0:22:52 GMT -5
i could make it english??
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Nov 26, 2011 0:46:54 GMT -5
How bout this, Jason? You just write your first issue. Anybody can claim to be the first Superhero within reason. If that's what your character's whole origin is then maybe the public sees him as that and maybe they don't. It's all about perception.
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Post by jackalope on Nov 26, 2011 1:07:13 GMT -5
I'm planning on doing a run set during WW2 with both Hippolyta and S.H.A.D.E., but I have the benefit of having characters that can be classified as urban legends (or wartime folktales).
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Mar 1, 2012 1:32:37 GMT -5
*cracks fingers* So my March goal is to get us an official continuity line. Chris can work on enforcing the wallpapers. I'll take the continuity... Jack and Buck, I'm probably not going to include Hex unless you guys have something in the present or want to make a set of things for that alternate timeline that you want to insert in case people want to have a crossover.
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Post by jackalope on Mar 1, 2012 6:24:11 GMT -5
That's fine. It was different when we had Batman in the future but now it's kind of our own. I don't think it matters too much continuity wise.
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Post by The Wonderful Wachter on Mar 2, 2012 18:33:46 GMT -5
I've spent the afternoon doing a timeline for the batfamily I have and the JSA... And dang it's long. However, in all fairness, it has paragraph long comments instead of being the simple way I'll have it in a final draft.
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